Sharing of IB vs NSS

mattsmum

(2010年7月1日星期四)

我曾在本欄談過本地大學利用「非聯招」辦法收生所引起不公平問題：部份花得起錢的家長，把子女送到外國唸預科，拿取外國的高考成績（例如 GCE），再透過「非聯招」辦法投考香港的大學。外國的高考比香港的淺易得多，容易得到較佳成績，這些「留學生」因此可佔盡便宜，造成「有錢不用考香港高考，無錢留港捱高考」的現象。

文章在去年發表後沒有收過大學資助委員會和任何大學的回應，卻收到家長和同學的電郵，說問題嚴重。6月21日南華早報又有一篇「非聯招」的報道，並列舉數字說明，引述如下：

英國高考（GCE A-Level）每年考獲A級考生為26.7%，香港高考僅為3.6%。香港的大學每年收生約14500名入讀政府資助的本科課程，各大學並沒有設定「非聯招」學額比例或上限，「非聯招生」的數目正在不斷上升，由2004年的2924人（佔當年新生總數19.9%，下同）增至2008年的4107人（26.1%）。2008年，本地高考生考獲「大學入學資格」但因「沒有足夠學額」遭拒大學門外者有6000人。

「非聯招生」考進「熱門」學系的比例更厲害。科大的國際商業，2007年透過「非聯招」成功申請入學的比例為20%，2008年為37.2%，2009年更增至39.5%（即43人中有17人為「非聯招生」）；中大醫科2009年收生160人，其中49人（30.6%）來自「非聯招」；同年，港大醫科也是收生160人，其中竟有100人（62.5%）來自「非聯招」。

要到英國唸兩年預科？學費、宿費、生活費約為港幣900000元，你會考慮嗎？

mattsmum

这是从某一校长的专栏抄出来的,只是没抄来源(教育心語 — 龐永欣)，

CU大学线（http://www.com.cuhk.edu.hk/ubeat/,  94期）有类似数字，看了吓一跳，不管IB也好GCE AL
也好，大学收不少. 收11608 JUPAS時就收了4107 non-jupas, 大學認為本地的不夠好嗎？

ibdp 我看了几年，任在理解中。FIS CIS RC 耀中 都能找到IB成绩.

[ 本帖最後由 mattsmum 於 10-7-4 14:27 編輯 ]

mattsmum

would he take english A1 as group 1 language or chinese A1 as group 1?

what about his group 2 language? english A2 or english B?

this is a hot discussion topic.

mattsmum

That is my confusion too,
Lanuage A1 has lit.component and is considered not easy,china's IB student would take Chinese A1 as group one language, that is easy for them,
hK's IS students would likely take eng as group1 language, then depends on their ability, those chinese student might take language a2 or b,
But local school IB student, what Language would they take for group 1- if it is English - you need to have literature back group, how many of these students are so good?if it is cinese, it is also difficult for hk students,
I asked this question in some seminars, they told me to wait because there were revision to syllibus for Chinese , they said.

[ 本帖最後由 mattsmum 於 10-7-4 22:42 編輯 ]

mattsmum

"can go to pure or mixed science streams."
what does this mean?

mattsmum

What about group 3 and 6?

Looks like the capable ones are more science orientated.

mattsmum

I think they call tok and ee marks as
"bonus point"

mattsmum

有心人的blog：

IB 公佈的2010年全球DP成績分佈資料，在網上可以下載：http://www.ibo.org/facts/statbul ... isticalbulletin.pdf。

2010年的香港IB考生高達 1,318人，...

http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/ecy_y/article?mid=917

mattsmum

anchan59 mentioned in this blog, do you know this person?

http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/ecy_y/article?mid=913

mattsmum

香港大學房地產及建設系助理教授姚松炎博士自小在美孚成長, 基於個人感情, 引發他對美孚以及香港屋苑的研究, that is the person. 很有心，关注香港的教育，同情孩子。

[ 本帖最後由 mattsmum 於 11-6-17 18:40 編輯 ]

mattsmum

20 June 2011-- just learned that there was a special report in SCMP about IB , but I can't find it in internet, can anybody post a link for that report?

mattsmum

my son told me the same about chinese, so hk students must go for A for both chinese and english.

mattsmum

"2010年的香港IB考生1,318人，佔全部人數104,999人的1.25%，

過去5年的合格率，約為80%。
過去5年的滿分率，0.2%。
過去5年的每科平均分，約為4.6，滿分為7，
過去5年的全平均分，約為29.5
合格為24分，滿分為45分，若以100分為滿分，即平均為67分."

透明度好高， 不用估估下，“14分係入預科的基本成績， 多少人有14 分， 。。。。。。”

網上查到的：

2010年的香港IB考生1,318人：

- ESF diploma 683,平均分33.5;
- ESF certificate 97人;

-RC diploma 40人
-RC certificate 5人;
-平均分32.6;

- KCIS diploma 10 人
-KCIS certificate 1人
-平均分32

-CIS diploma 102人
-平均分36
－ (world average is 30, their website said so)

FIs- 20人
-平均分35.95

YC- estimated 62人
-平均分34

AIS-32人
-平均分要計， 有一表格， 資料多，

LPC-128人，
-平均分要計， 有一表格， 資料多，

VSA- 8/9
-平均分找不到，

CDNIS- 81
-平均分33.1

還有48人不知上那找。

[ 本帖最後由 mattsmum 於 11-6-26 12:02 編輯 ]

mattsmum

Yes, I also think so.

mattsmum

Thank you for the calculation. Hk student profiles are my bench mark.

mattsmum

hk's result is pretty good then.

	Avg. Points	Name
1	40	North London Collegiate School - Edgware
2	39.3	Sevenoaks School
3	39	Stephen Perse Foundation (formerly Perse Girls) - Cambridge
4	38.7	King's College - Wimbledon
5	38	Bedford School
6	37.4	Haileybury - Hertford
7	37.2	Godolphin & Latymer School - Hammersmith
8	36.2	Manchester Grammar School
9	36.1	Ardingly College - Haywards Heath
10	36	Fettes College - Edinburgh
11	35.3	Malvern College - Worcestershire
12	35.2	Wellington College - Berkshire
13	35.1	St Edward's School - Oxford
14	35	King Edward's School - Witley
14 =	35	Royal High School - Bath
14 =	35	Oakham School - Rutland
14 =	35	ACS Hillingdon International School
18	34.5	St Clare's - Oxford
18 =	34.5	Southbank International School - Westminster Annexe
20	34	Marymount International School - Kingston Upon Thames
21	33	TASIS - The American School in England
21 =	33	Brentwood School
21 =	33	Warminster School - Wiltshire
21 =	33	Worth School - Crawley
25	32.6	King William's College - Castletown
25 =	32.6	Felsted School - Essex
27	32.2	Rydal Penrhos - Conwy
28	32	ACS Cobham International School
28 =	32	Sidcot School - Winscombe
28 =	32	Windermere School
28 =	32	St Leonards School - Fife
32	31.1	Gresham's School - Norfolk
33	31	ACS Egham International School
34	30.4	Rossall School - Lancashire
35	29.4	Ellesmere College - Shropshire
36	29.2	Scarborough College - N. Yorks
37	29.1	Liverpool College
38	27.7	Box Hill School - Dorking

2010年的香港IB考生1,318人：

- ESF diploma 683,平均分33.5;
- ESF certificate 97人;

-RC diploma 40人
-RC certificate 5人;
-平均分32.6;

- KCIS diploma 10 人
-KCIS certificate 1人
-平均分32

-CIS diploma 102人
-平均分36
－ (world average is 30, their website said so)

FIs- 20人
-平均分35.95

YC- estimated 62人
-平均分34

AIS-32人
-平均分要計， 有一表格， 資料多，

LPC-128人，
-平均分36.6， 有一表格， 資料多，

VSA- 8/9
-平均分找不到，

CDNIS- 81
-平均分33.1

還有48人不知上那找。

[ 本帖最後由 mattsmum 於 11-6-29 18:41 編輯 ]

mattsmum

IB teacher told me 3x is not considered good, but i would accept this figure.

mattsmum

sometimes I wonder what is the meaning of average points of 34 in relation to grades that we are familiar, and I found this from an uk independent school:

"an average Diploma score of 34 points, equates to over 3 A* grades at A Level or on the UCAS tariff.

25 points, equats to over 3 B grades at A Level."

the UCAS web site is here:
http://www.ucas.com/students/ucas_tariff/tarifftables/

[ 本帖最後由 mattsmum 於 11-8-21 11:18 編輯 ]

mattsmum

45 IB is too high .
i mean "an average IB Diploma score of 34 points, equates to over 3 A* grades at A Level or on the UCAS tariff.

IB diploma score of 25 points, equats to over 3 B grades at A Level."

mattsmum

i would guess:
lpc is a boarding school,
lpc has a big campus,
lpc has lots of international students,
lpc had experienced career master.