Does EFS have the obligation to help the expats? - 國際學校

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FattyDaddy Over 70% of ESF students are HK residents, and all of their families pay tax, ex-pat or otherwise 發表於 13-1-13 15:24

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怪不知香港遠比SINGAPORE差、真係好多心胸挟窄的人、如果可以選択双非子女OR　EXPATRIATES　TO　FUND,我会選択EXPATRIATES。　起馬将香港弄得国際化点、我地D銭放係班狼班子身上MAAK一様係倒水落海。　我覚得D　EXPATRIATES不是不想溶入本地社会、但初到A　STRANGE/NEW　PLACE,好難一下子将小朋友推入本地学校、真係会WORRY他門是否適応到。　我自己都要在東欧３年後先発覚原来入讀当地的主流学校不是不可能的。　但一開始就不敢。　EXPATRIATES也有交税的、AND交足TIM.　ESF完全没有EXPATRIAES混下、就完全没有它的特色了。　So I 100% agree to ESF funding expatriates!!

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Oops, just realized the typo on the title, I meant ESF not EFS

I don't think Spore government subsidize any international schools in Singapore, do they??

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FattyDaddy Singaporeans are not allowed to study in international schools, while over 70% of ESF's students are local residents, see the difference? 發表於 13-1-13 23:50

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I guess you are right that the mix of expats and local make ESF a real international schools, and I guess more desirable by the local.

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怪不知香港遠比SINGAPORE差、真係好多心胸挟窄的人、如果可以 ...

好同意！我個仔讀local school, and he cannot speak Cantonese, 你地又冇想過local school的老師覺得佢幾煩呀，佢地d英文連基本溝通都有困難。同埋就算所謂政府subsidy, 都要比7千幾一個月啦，我唔覺得津貼有幾多。最緊要我們交足稅的。仲有，好多外國人在香港做工，例如外藉英語教師，是政府重金請回來的，不是人家到香港乞討工作。

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FattyDaddy After 1997, many of the lay about good for nothing ex-pats are gone, most of those who are still here are the ones who have real skills and they compete on equal terms with locals. 發表於 13-1-14 01:02

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Fascinating. Obviously tertiary education has not done much to educate the author of the article.

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jolalee Clap clap! 發表於 13-1-24 02:24

今日佳句: 我以往也以為國際板的家長也有質素，但現在才知deal with 一些麻煩家長也不易！

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比HKTHK点醍左、其実編野係点個写架？

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本帖最後由 JJsMama 於 13-1-23 19:14 編輯

It is written by Jake van der Kamp, columnist of SCMP.

As a non-ESF stakeholder and a Hong Kong tax payer, the article makes perfect sense to me.

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it should be fair to all tax payers!

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It is written by Jake van der Kamp, columnist of SCMP.

All arguments i heard for ESF equally apply to all other IS. To me it all boils down to one question. Should we remove ESF's subsidy or should we provide same subsidy to all other IS and private schools in HK?

The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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Receiving the subvention makes the government continue to intervene. Why we choose IS is to avoid the problematic education system here.

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Shrimpiggy 發表於 13-1-23 21:28
Receiving the subvention makes the government continue to intervene. Why we choose IS is to avoid th ...

How much does ESF get intervention from the HK government? I don't know any, other than threats to take the subvention away. Are the admission and curriculum limited in anyway by the government?

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i agree that ESF has a high degree of automony so far..but who know what the unpopular government would ask for as the condition of the subsidies.

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JJsMama 發表於 13-1-23 19:13
As a non-ESF stakeholder and a Hong Kong tax payer, the article makes perfect sense to me...

Hey, I pay tax, yet I'm not a stakeholder in MANY things in Hongkong.

Guess I'll be very busy moaning about anything and everything, and that makes perfect sense to some people too

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haha moaning like plague spreading in hk

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shadeslayer 發表於 13-1-23 20:41
All arguments i heard for ESF equally apply to all other IS ...

This discussion thread revolves around the sentiment of "no obligation to help ex-pats", right?

Many international schools prioritize their admission by citizenship of their respective foreign country, while ESF and some others (ISF, CIS, Harrow etc) prioritize by language and academics or connections or even money but not by nationality, so not all international schools are the same when it comes to who they serve, and this is reflected in their student population.

If the student population of a school, ESF or otherwise, is made up of mostly HK residents, then this "no obligation to help ex-pat" argument is missing the point.

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This discussion thread revolves around the sentiment of "no obligation to help ex-pats", right?

Man ...

The article was around helping expats who, by definition, are not HK residents.

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FattyDaddy The article was suggesting ESF is full of ex-pats, which is simply not true. 發表於 13-1-24 16:10

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FattyDaddy 發表於 13-1-23 23:06
Hey, I pay tax, yet I'm not a stakeholder in MANY things in Hongkong.

Guess I'll be very busy moani ...

It is totally understandable why present ESF parents are upset over the issue of subvention.  The prospect of having to fork out more than they originally expected is rather daunting, perhaps may even throw some off course on their financial planning.

But van der Kemp has rightly pointed out that expats should have a realistic expectation on cost of education in Hong Kong. Private education is not cheap anywhere in the world, and it is certainly not affordable by all.    One should ascertain their long-term sustainability before committing to a foreign land. Instead of expecting a funding from the government (i.e.  HK taxpayers), wouldn't that be more fair that the subsidy comes directly from the employer?  That as a proof of their worth over a local hire? If that subsidy doesn't come, then tough it out like most local mortals do - go local!

As for your point on ESF being populated by mostly HK residents, then one should ask why HK taxpayers are paying children of well-to-do Hong Kong families a premier international education.  If so, shouldn't all be getting the same?

It is pure economics.  ESF offers world-class teachers, fantastic facilities, happy and creative learning environment and more than respectable school-leaving exam results, these don't happen by chance, and certainly doesn't come free. One simply can't expect a Ferrari at the price of a Toyota. So the question is, shouldn't the beneficiary pay?

Last of all, if your sarcasm is directed at me, then you are barking up the wrong tree. It truly doesn't bother me one way or another what the government does. The mention of 'taxpayer' is in answer to some posters who seem to think that paying tax is an entitlement to certain privileges. This cannot be more wrong in HK. Most taxpayers get pittance from the government, if anything at all. On the point of 'non-ESF stakeholder', I am merely trying to highlight a point of view from a regular person who has no emotional attachment to the whole issue. Raising a point of view does not equate to 'moaning', don't you agree? Personal attack is just not cool.

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Existing parents have nothing to fear, any agreed changes in the subvention will only affect new parents.

The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.