如何提高津校小朋友英文水平

shadeslayer

retriever 發表於 17-3-28 14:45
可能你真係好迷APPLE/STEVE JOB.

what I said was in general terms. not just Apple or Google.

the Google glass product would follow simar pattern.

retriever

shadeslayer 發表於 17-3-28 15:28
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 17-3-28 15:29 編輯

yeah right, you mean these.  super nice.

not the one you posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Windows_Mobile_devices


some popular ones from o2, dopod and htc...

shadeslayer

planetearth 發表於 17-3-28 14:33
系呀，我成日教個細嘅先要尊重知識創造者， 前人的智慧，他們無分貴賤，咁他先會 尊重自己所學嘅嘢, 因而 ...

my only point is for people to realize coding is a tiny part of what makes a product great.  overly emphasing coding is therefore not rationale and only benefits the coding class people.

shadeslayer

retriever 發表於 17-3-28 15:05
明, 我明呀!

價值觀唔同姐...

價值觀唔同？

So you think a car is desirable because of the screw they use, not how comfortable, or how fast they travel?

similarly you think SAP is a desirable ERP product because its code are optimized for 1GB ram computers, not because of its feature set or support?

shadeslayer

retriever 發表於 17-3-28 15:39
not the one you posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Windows_Mobile_devices

wow super nice.  I would totally want to use them.

retriever

shadeslayer 發表於 17-3-28 15:43
價值觀唔同？

So you think a car is desirable because of the screw they use, not how comfortable, o ...

原因係講緊學習, 所以過程比結果重要, 正如我認同你話寫CODE 作為技能, 賺唔到幾多錢, 但作學習過程, 重要(當然唔係唯一)


哲學家搵唔到錢, 唔等於哲學低層次.


套回你欣賞喬公同APPLE 既例子, 如果要用產品去類比, 我唔會覺得幕前既演員, 比緊湊既故事, 攝影既表現重要.


作為IT 科技愛好者, 我只認為喬公只係巴巴閉, 多多事實既霸氣老板.... 欣賞GOOGLE 兩位哥哥仔, 尊重科技尊重工程人才, 絕對覺得GOOGLE APPS 俾 IPHONE 改變生活更高更廣...

MrBeast

shadeslayer 發表於 17-3-28 14:35
which bit in my reply that you don't agree?

i believe some form of programming training can start early, might be from p3 n the early start could give some advantage.  u thk otherwise. we r just going round in circle

retriever

MrBeast 發表於 17-3-28 16:46
i believe some form of programming training can start early, might be from p3 n the early start coul ...

其實版友S 視編程只為一種技能，既然搵唔到食，所以唔駛早學，唔學亦無壞，因邏輯思考佢認為中英數常已足夠云云。

planetearth

shadeslayer 發表於 17-3-28 12:55
成板回應只提過 coding 一次，有進步。 Coding 只係 STEM 中 tiny insignificant part.

我贊成小學著重  ...

對於engineering嘛，的確可以從小學開始. 探索大自然就係佢哋嘅基礎。
阿仔學校小三教 牛頓三定律 概念， 返屋企自己好奇上網 繼續煲相關知識，我開車時又叫佢感受下開車煞車下的牛顿定律。
佢會用硬卡紙及lego自己整架車出嚟 玩。尼D就係小學階段嘅engineering。
佢又話佢發現左拋 舊鐵比個嗰纸球更快跌落地 ，原因係 除咗地心吸力 ，地球嘅磁場加速 將塊 鐵吸落地。STEM 絕對係可以從小學開始。 D细路可以識好多嘢 ，唔係靠我哋填比佢地，係佢哋自己去尋找及摸索。
同學語言一樣知識都係要慢慢 浸出嚟。

shadeslayer

retriever 發表於 17-3-28 17:54
其實版友S 視編程只為一種技能，既然搵唔到食，所以唔駛早學，唔學亦無壞，因邏輯思考佢認為中英數常已足 ...

不錯的總結。

補充: 可以小學教的 coding , 所學到的邏輯, 中英数常综合科學已足夠。而中學有更好更廣泛的邏輯訓練, 例如辯論。

shadeslayer

planetearth 發表於 17-3-28 20:00
對於engineering嘛，的確可以從小學開始. 探索大自然就係佢哋嘅基礎。
阿仔學校小三教 牛頓三定律 概念，  ...

牛頓定律, 紙球鐵球等係 physics, not engineering.

做架咭紙車可免強說成 engineering.

未到中學, 好難有科學數學基礎去做認真點的 engineering.

planetearth

retriever 發表於 17-3-28 17:54
其實版友S 視編程只為一種技能，既然搵唔到食，所以唔駛早學，唔學亦無壞，因邏輯思考佢認為中英數常已足 ...

十幾年後，尼班小學生嘅老闆係喺 互聯網下長大嘅新人類，呢啲老闆會期望邊啲人才呢？ 應該幾時學coding? 見仁見智啦!

shadeslayer

planetearth 發表於 17-3-28 20:10
十幾年後，尼班小學生嘅老闆係喺 互聯網下長大嘅新人類，呢啲老闆會期望邊啲人才呢？ 應該幾時學coding?  ...

不要把互聯網和 coding 打上等号。As I said coding is only a tiny insignificant part of IT and computers and products industry.

我一早講, 担心新世代人類不熟識網上世界和电腦科技, 所謂 tech savvy , 係多餘的。

planetearth

shadeslayer 發表於 17-3-28 20:08
牛頓定律, 紙球鐵球等係 physics, not engineering.

做架咭紙車可免強說成 engineering.

講唔哂咁多野，只可據例。 執石仔幼沙過濾可樂還算engineering？ 買摩打 自己砌車算唔算engineering？

planetearth

retriever 發表於 17-3-28 17:54
其實版友S 視編程只為一種技能，既然搵唔到食，所以唔駛早學，唔學亦無壞，因邏輯思考佢認為中英數常已足 ...

想移民火星位朋友10 歲自學編程賣咗個game賺咗第一舊錢。

shadeslayer

planetearth 發表於 17-3-28 20:52
想移民火星位朋友10 歲自學編程賣咗個game賺咗第一舊錢。

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 17-3-28 21:02 編輯

don't you understand, it is not coding that sold the game, it is the idea behind the game that appealed to the buyer. it is the gaming experience and potential that attracted the buyer.  H/she could have used India to do the coding.

shadeslayer

planetearth 發表於 17-3-28 20:44
講唔哂咁多野，只可據例。 執石仔幼沙過濾可樂還算engineering？ 買摩打 自己砌車算唔算engineering？
...

you obviously don't understand engineering.

planetearth

shadeslayer 發表於 17-3-28 21:02
you obviously don't understand engineering.

小學講呢啲係比較抽象嘅，算啦, 我收聲啦.

retriever

planetearth 發表於 17-3-28 20:52
想移民火星位朋友10 歲自學編程賣咗個game賺咗第一舊錢。

你咁樣講，係企係版友S 既價值觀講嘢。

賣到野係SALES， 呢個係事實。但製造/創造者係工程師。

譬如： 賣樓果個，係趙樓神。期下既工程師，可能一輩子買唔起自己設計既樓。

哲學賣唔到錢，但我仍然欣賞哲學既價值。

MrBeast

planetearth 發表於 17-3-28 20:44
講唔哂咁多野，只可據例。 執石仔幼沙過濾可樂還算engineering？ 買摩打 自己砌車算唔算engineering？
...

這個正:
http://mb.ntd.tv/inspired/diy/make-hydraulic-powered-robotic-arm-cardboard.html