英國VS香港讀大學2024

twhkleung

KikiDaddy 發表於 24-10-11 13:27
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The former CUHK President Professor Charles Kao won the nobel prize in 2009 a ...

geoffrey hinton的nobel prize 项目係向UofT时开始致完成. 而prof charles kao的係向UK完成, 之后先去CU.
咁個問题係, 培育人才既地方重要d? 定係請d叻人返泥就會得?

KikiDaddy

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Professor Kao was borned in Shanghai, received his secondary education in HK and then tertiary education in UK.  
Like most of the scientists, Professor Kao travelled around the world to do his research in different countries like UK, US, Japan and Australia. He came back to HK and founded the Department of Electronics of CUHK in 1970. He stayed with CUHK for 4 years before it returned back to UK. Research is a lengthy journey and it requires the collaboration with different talents around the world. I am not saying Professor Kao did all his noble prize awarded optical fibre research with CUHK but his 4 years with CUHK obviously constitutes a significant part of this journey.

Don't get me wrong, UofT is a very respectful and reputable university. However, Professor Geoffrey Hinton received his education in UK and then do his teaching and research works in US before he retired from Google in 2023 and then join UofT (he divided his time between Googles and UofT from 2013 to 2023).

The above information is from Wiki. Even I didn't do the fact check, I believe most of this information is accurate, at least those for Professor Kao.  

I am not saying the universities in China (including those in HK) are superior to their counterparts in the western countries. I just wants to bring out the points: -

1. We have home grown talents and the local universities can provide the neccesary platform to support their research works;
2. Scientific Research is a team work and need the collaboration among talents around the world.

Personally, I am a supporter of globalization and collaboration instead of protectionism and confrontation.

If countries can cooperate with each other, we should have a higher chance to resolve issues like proverty and global warming.

KikiDaddy

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Agruably Prof. Hinton's award of the Nobel Prize mostly linked to his invention of Boltzmann machine in 1985, well before he joined UofT in 2013.
As I said, research is a lengthy journey and his works in UofT are undoubtedbly crucial to his award of Nobel Prize.

Quoted from Nobel Prize Press Release: -

"Geoffrey Hinton used the Hopfield network as the foundation for a new network that uses a different method: the Boltzmann machine. This can learn to recognise characteristic elements in a given type of data. Hinton used tools from statistical physics, the science of systems built from many similar components. The machine is trained by feeding it examples that are very likely to arise when the machine is run. The Boltzmann machine can be used to classify images or create new examples of the type of pattern on which it was trained. Hinton has built upon this work, helping initiate the current explosive development of machine learning."

twhkleung

KikiDaddy 發表於 24-10-11 23:10
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Professor Kao was borned in Shanghai, received his secondary education in HK  ...

"Don't get me wrong, UofT is a very respectful and reputable university. However, Professor Geoffrey Hinton received his education in UK and then do his teaching and research works in US before he retired from Google in 2023 and then join UofT (he divided his time between Googles and UofT from 2013 to 2023)."
Hinton 是1987joined UofT, 當然cooperate with 其它intl researchers係好重要(特別係NYU同 Montreal果兩位), 但佢的成就是在UofT完成, 依家佢個group members, 都係佢d 徒子徒孫, 和信奉他的方面的researchers. 佢已老, 但佢的"方向"張会影響住個group 未來十幾二十年(之后只有神知了) .

Cambridge 教懂佢Psychology. Edinbrugh 教懂佢AI, UofCalf 比机会佢累積知識概念, 最后在UofT开花结果.

用你的講法都有其道理, 所以, 之前有個贴, 在討論DSE 狀元时, 討論來自边間中學, 跟住討論來自边間小學, 最后講到來自边间幼兒园.

你啱, 每一階段, 都有影響同貢獻

twhkleung

KikiDaddy 發表於 24-10-11 23:40
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Agruably Prof. Hinton's award of the Nobel Prize mostly linked to his inventi ...

FYI
https://www.utoronto.ca/news/u-t-deep-learning-pioneer-geoffrey-hinton-receives-honorary-degree

KikiDaddy

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Thanks for sharing.

It takes 50 years of hard works to get this Nobel prize - you must appreciate the confidence, commitment and perseverance Dr. Hinton shows to prove an idea initially underwhelmed by the AI community.

FNN

In my view, there are two major factors significantly influencing a professor's potential to receive the Nobel Prize. Without these opportunities, those professors you guys mentioned might not be able to achieve the outstanding rewards.

Research funding is critical, as it enables universities to provide the necessary facilities, equipment, and materials essential for conducting high-quality research. Well-funded institutions are better positioned to attract top talent, allowing them to assemble teams capable of conducting impactful studies. Moreover, adequate funding supports the pursuit of long-term projects, which can lead to significant discoveries over time.

Collaboration is another vital element. It explains why researchers love to stay in different countries in different time period of their researching journey. Researchers benefit from opportunities to engage in interdisciplinary work, which fosters networking and global partnerships. Such collaborations often yield novel insights and innovative solutions to complex problems, thereby increasing the likelihood of producing research that garners international acclaim. By creating networks among researchers, collaboration facilitates the exchange of ideas and cultivates an environment conducive to the emergence of innovative concepts. Furthermore, partnerships with international researchers broaden the pool of knowledge and expertise, ultimately enhancing the quality and impact of research outcomes.

KikiDaddy

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Unfortunately, international collaboration becomes extremely difficult against the backdrop of growing tension between US and China.
Sorry for going a bit off-topic. I always ask my son not just reading the news from the main-stream media which are now significantly influenced by the politicians and their billionaires behind. We should also hear what those respectful scholars said, which should be more impartial and reliable, and then make our own judgments.

Prof. Jeffrey Sachs is an economist I admire as he always gives his views on an objective basis and from the perspective of the global community instead of his home country. His opinions on the Russia-Ukraine war and the Middle East crisis are very different from what we heard from BBC and CBS.

“This Is Gonna Get Us ALL Blown Up!” Jeffrey Sachs On Russian Invasion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mULVrUGh6wo

Prof. Jeffrey Sachs: Israeli Extremists Prevail

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPWBEc4eo8g

In a world full of fake news and biased opinions, it is important to teach our children to develop the ability of critical thinking. When our young people can establish correct values and make right judgments, we can then have a peaceful world for true collaboration.

FNN

KikiDaddy 發表於 24-10-12 13:15
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Unfortunately, international collaboration becomes extremely difficult against the  ...

Thank you for your thoughtful comment; it raises an intriguing paradox.

You have effectively underscored the importance of critical thinking. Indeed, students in Hong Kong may face significant challenges in further developing these skills due to the current external environment. This is not to imply that they cannot cultivate critical thinking amidst geographical tensions, but rather that they may have limited access to accurate and reliable information. In an era where misinformation is rampant, having access to precise data is essential for conducting meaningful research and understanding relationships and impacts.

Considering your insights regarding whether students should study in Hong Kong, the answer becomes increasingly evident.

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I see where you are coming from. In fact, many parents share the same concerns and decided to send their children to study abroad in view of the recent changes in HK.

However, misinformation or even disinformation happens all over the world. Like Brexit Referendum in UK and the Maiden Revolution in Ukraine, people there made the decisions based on the false or inaccurate information advocated by the politicians. People may regret the decisions made when they know the consequences now.

I have no intention to spark a political debate here but just want to reiterate the importance of critical thinking to our younger generation. It should make no difference whether they study in HK or elsewhere.

siuwoc

我呢個女人仔家長(吾係怪獸)，大世界吾識睇，大道理又搞吾清，不過，就知道就算嗰細路係資優兒，家長有足夠財力及能力栽培佢，但嗰細路有第二啲意願，都冇可能成就到個世界級獎項者，人生有好多可能性㗎嘛！

所謂嘅大學醜聞，學生濫藥，搞男女關係，冇禮貌(下删一千個問題)，吾通個細路去到外國，就會乖哂，醇哂？！如果係，咁就真係一天都光晒咯！

幾間本地土炮大學，吾計non jupas, 嗰萬幾個資助本科位，就算係吾係神科，年年都好似係爭崩頭㗎喎，吾通班家長個個都係傻嘅？明知係火坑，都推自己個細路落去？

飲土炮定係浸鹹水，正所謂咸魚青菜，各有喜愛，吾洗矮化吓人哋，先覺得自己高啲喎！

poonseelai

siuwoc 發表於 24-10-14 09:31
我呢個女人仔家長(吾係怪獸)，大世界吾識睇，大道理又搞吾清，不過，就知道就算嗰細路係 ...

濫藥, 無禮貌, 這個係同成長環境關係多D, 近年本地大學O camp嘅新聞多多, 只可講世風日下, 我兩個孩子去兩間英國唔同大學orientation也無這些情況, 活動後同學去浦酒吧你可以say no

如果講學術自由, 教授和學生嘅diversity, 出國有優勢 , 而家香港的大學太集中啦, 今年non Local 比例已經由local 學位（15,000個） 加20%(3,000人）增至40%(6,000人）, 有大學仲話想增加到100%。部分同學直情用假學歷, 對整體教育質素影響如何？

相信外國大學一樣有類似情況, 只係程度多與少, 我孩子試過group discussion 有來自中國的學生用普通話討論, 話之你個group 有其他國家學生, 亦有人會出錢比你幫手做功課

本地大學咁受歡迎, 嚟緊仲話要推香港做留學城市, 有家長傾向外國大學咪仲好, 少D競爭

KikiDaddy

I would suggest the perspective students joining the pre-university programmes offered by local universities so that they can get some first-hand experience of the university faculties, alumni and current students.  

The University of HK Academy for the Talented is one of the schools offering pre-univesity summer programmes for senior high school students: -

https://talented.hku.hk/

After attending a few programmes, the students can have a better understanding of the university and the subject they intended to study. This can definitely help them to make a more sensible decision for their further study.

twhkleung

多左學生出國讀,咁留响道讀既米多左机會囉! 係好事泥, 等n年后向外面畢業既又返來工作, HK咪人才濟濟. 就好似中國過去几十年, 大量學生到外面升学, 今日米有大量海歸同本土人才可用. (呀仔大学宿舍格離房,係浙江省高考狀元)

冇需計較出去讀定HK讀边样好d, 睇下自己情况羅.  不过中文同其它亜洲語文肯定會越來越重要,只要英文的年代已过, 不再是國家需要, 返而俄文, 韓文,馬拉, 越南, 泰文, 阿拉伯語會更重要, 甘先支持到一帶一發展吗 (睇下Singapore, 人地係除左中英文, 重有好多人識其亞洲語)

poonseelai

twhkleung 發表於 24-10-16 00:48
多左學生出國讀,咁留响道讀既米多左机會囉! 係好事泥, 等n年后向外面畢業既又返來工作, HK咪人才濟濟. 就好 ...

星加坡本身就人口多元, 兩成馬拉和印度人, 以往服務東南亞, 返年香港送好多生意比佢, 多到佢揀客做

如果想學多D亞洲語, 港大可能啱D, 它近日公布收了大約1,200 non local, 一半來自中國, 其他來自60個國家地區, 但歐美學生較少, 可能多來自一帶一路, 我估咋

ANChan59

poonseelai 發表於 24-10-16 07:31
星加坡本身就人口多元, 兩成馬拉和印度人, 以往服務東南亞, 返年香港送好多生意比佢, 多到佢揀客做

如果 ...

香港大學收不少南亞及一帶一路學生，這些都是有全額獎學金，不然的話都不一定選擇港大。

我認識幾個係尼泊爾，孟加拉，讀工程，想留在香港工作，我們安排招聘會，但冇一個被選中，係香港公司不了解他們文化，可能為新加坡作嫁衣裳。

ANChan59

twhkleung 發表於 24-10-16 00:48
多左學生出國讀,咁留响道讀既米多左机會囉! 係好事泥, 等n年后向外面畢業既又返來工作, HK咪人才濟濟. 就好 ...

我們有舖排兒子去英國升學，但最終他選擇留在香港讀大學，讓他自己選擇最適合，我哋作為父母就在金錢及資訊上作好充份準備。

poonseelai

ANChan59 發表於 24-10-16 08:28
香港大學收不少南亞及一帶一路學生，這些都是有全額獎學金，不然的話都不一定選擇港大。

我認識幾個係尼 ...

記得之前有個訪問在港大讀書的東南亞學生, 被香港大學"international" students 比例高吸引, 來到發覺同預期不同, 試過上堂全班得佢一個要用英文, 結果上堂唔用英文

ANChan59

poonseelai 發表於 24-10-16 08:34
記得之前有個訪問在港大讀書的東南亞學生, 被香港大學"international" students 比例高吸引, 來到發覺同預 ...

當然香港學生希望廣東話，大陸學生希望普通話，非華語希望用英文上課。

我第一堂會問有冇人唔識中文，如果有，我係用英文講課。

香港幾間大學的國際化，應該鼓勵學生去海關及消委會投訴違反商標說明條例。

poonseelai

香港大學授課語文不是英文咩？